Curse

valence · Mar 13, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And you cant counter HC with enchant removal because?

Also anyone tried using E denial mesmers ftw?

play the bar first.

only way i've been able to lock hc out of play is rend + humility lock, which is kinda clumsy.

edit:

To add something ontopic, I liked the w-r-n-m template, it was able to deal with most gimmicks. Only dual migraine was itchy but if you knew it was comming you could take a 2nd purge on the mo and beat the team. At the moment I just want to see HC go and see where the arena goes to.

the_deSKtructor · Mar 13, 2008, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

And you cant counter HC with enchant removal because?

Also anyone tried using E denial mesmers ftw?

Hi. My name is Healers Covenant and i recharge in 5 seconds. I like to bring on my bar Patient Spirit and Vigorous Spirit, so i can even be covered. Also, my energy managment is so strong that i don't even have to swap set to get rid of edenial.

Please, stop posting meaningless stuff.

urania · Mar 13, 2008, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Wernt LoD prot and SoR bonder like standard builds in arenas?

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n/c

bhav, you should stop pretending u know what you're talking about, cuz after making such statement u apparently dont know what its going on at all...

at june, as i already said, hc is normally used in either 2 melee+ranger teams or 2 monk teams and considering u cant shut down the 2 melee with ur nec for long due to spotless mind AND that the monk normally has 2 warr stances it is often the case you drop before they will - i mean, how long can u stand up vs 2 clean melees, especially with the new guardian..?

Barkeep · Mar 13, 2008, 10:49 AM // 10:49

What june meant to say is that he likes to outshine these gimmick players on every area, by surviving several minutes to 2 clean melees, and then pressuring out the HC and the smiter.

It's still way too much effort to beat a bunch of button bashing lamers though.

Right june?

Teh Jace · Mar 13, 2008, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Well I have just tried leet ranger with prepared shot, deb shot and 16 at marksmanship and it works fairly well vs HC (-3 pips of e degen = no energy for HC at all)

So imo guardian ZB is still ftw.

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I'd like the idea of changing the map specifics that favor the *Balanced* builds as someone suggested earlier. I wouldn't know how this could be implemented but for example there could be a map that is completely unsuitable for Shove Spike teams. I don't know how many of you have played The Deep but there is an area where after a certain length of time you get teleported to a nearby enemy. If they add a clause such as *Whilst Running* if a Shove spike team was on the run around the map after a Spike, one of them could end up at the other teams feet. Thats a basic idea it could be anything along those lines and maybe someone has a better idea.

A similar idea could be implemented against spam builds also, such as the HC Build/Touchers etc. An environmental affect that causes loss of energy/exhaustion. Of course this would happen to players who are not spamming skill too just not as severe.

urania · Mar 13, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

"fixing" the maps unfortunately wont fix broken builds...especially not by implementing pve effects x.X

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Yeah, unlikely it will but I thought the purpose of this topic was to throw ideas around. Where these effect are already implemented is nothing to do with it. Unfortunately you have failed to divulge in why you don't like the idea, which would promote a healthy discussion rather than simply dismissal. If you don't like peoples opinions...er don't use public forums, ok gg.

urania · Mar 13, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by The Unknown X

Yeah, unlikely it will but I thought the purpose of this topic was to throw ideas around. Where these effect are already implemented is nothing to do with it. Unfortunately you have failed to divulge in why you don't like the idea, which would promote a healthy discussion rather than simply dismissal. If you don't like peoples opinions...er don't use public forums, ok gg.

lets take, for example, the spores map - the effect wont do much, if any, harm to a HC monk, but it can be devastating for a normal monk or any other caster.
to me it seems u're using a pve-oriented view on how to fix pvp issues :\
try throwing CONSTRUCTIVE ideas around - how to fix skills, not maps.

already said why i dont like the idea - because implementing some random pve-effects cannot fix a build issue. also, it can prove highly disadvantageous in wise kiting - when u are being over pressured and need to pullback (referring to the suggestion to implement a deep-like effect).

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Jeez are you like this all the time. Politeness cost nothing.

Firstly the ideas are not cast iron, set in stone beliefs that this will improve TA, I said "Something ALONG those lines" using The Deep scenario as an example, of course rather than look at what I actually state all thats going through your mind is PvE, PvE, PvE lets get another PvE dig in there somewhere. Do I need to catalogue all my PvP experience on here for YOU before I ever post something? No I don't.

Secondly, just because YOU don't like an idea doesn't mean it's not constructive and how is nerfing every skill you don't like constructive in the first place?

If you really want to look like a big man, then do it to someone in front of you NOT on the net. Looking back through everything you have posted NOTHING has been constructive on here. All you have done is been rude about other peoples idea's. Apart from your little buddies.

Once again you fail to read a post, how do you get by reading a skill description? Then make judgements on what you think needs nerfing. Maybe you should get a relation or someone near you to read this post out loud so you can get a grasp of what my post says.

Ok so here's a challenge for you, in the next post you write I want you to think long and hard about what you're going to say. Maybe throw in some of your famous "leetspeak" to spice it up a bit, also you can make references to me playing PvE as well as PvP...what a crime against humanity. You should use the word CONSTRUCTIVE in capital letters atleast twice. Bring up the HC Monk 3-4 times in two sentences. Try to use your strictly academic attempts at patronising five times.

Above all, be original.

Shendaar · Mar 13, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Well your idea was pretty bad afterall. You can throw ideas around if you want, but if they are bad ideas, expect people to let you know in any way they see fit(this is the internet).

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

And what do you think my idea was? and what reasons do YOU think it was bad? (don't hide behind Urania when you answer)

Shendaar · Mar 13, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Adding "effects" to maps. Do you need me to quote your own post?

Orange Milk · Mar 13, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I'll stay with the wheel reference since I like it.

The first wheel was an Idea, and it was mad out of stone.

Look at those nice rubber wheels of today, improvements on that idea.

Where would wheels be today without that first idea?

The idea has to start somewhere. The man had and Idea, improve upon it and inovate thats where sucess comes from, not be rude and closeminded.

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

Adding "effects" to maps. Do you need me to quote your own post?

No I want you to say why you think it's a bad idea and I'm not necessarily talking about adding "effects" to maps thats just an example. Do you need me to type my own post's 3 times before you get it?

Thank-you Orange Milk for trying to put it in a way they might be able to understand.

Shendaar · Mar 13, 2008, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Get what? You posted your idea and I think its bad. Area effects are boring and would be nothing more than a band aid around the actual problem(skill balance). Who the hell wants to get teleported to the enemy in PvP(hell I think it's dumb in PvE too)? I want to fight with the other team, not with the game world.

Your entire post was pretty much dedicated to the whole world effects idea, so don't say that it was just an example lol.

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Area effects?

^^

You are talking about my idea, right? Or someone else's? Or sniffing glue?...Also by reading up you can see that I actually do state that it's an example. You're going nowhere with this I think you just have a soft spot for Urania. At least he puts a little passion in his argument even if he does misinterpret the point.

Shendaar · Mar 13, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

You know what I meant. Stop wasting my time. Your idea is terrible, whether you want to admit it or not.

Edit : For the record. I don't have a clue who Urania is.

Zelos Wingate · Mar 13, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Shendaar

Get what? You posted your idea and I think its bad. Area effects are boring and would be nothing more than a band aid around the actual problem(skill balance). Who the hell wants to get teleported to the enemy in PvP(hell I think it's dumb in PvE too)? I want to fight with the other team, not with the game world.

Your entire post was pretty much dedicated to the whole world effects idea, so don't say that it was just an example lol.

If you take your head out of your own ass long enough to actually grasp the concept of her post, you would know that it's an "Example" she was sugjesting an environmental effects that would be beneficial against Gimmicks. that doesn't mean it will have to be being telepoted to your nearest opponent you dumb ass.

And as for a good decent player, using the terrain effects can give you a devestating advantage, not all matches are won by builds.

Edit: unfortunately i dont even think you know what YOU ment. lol

The Unknown X · Mar 13, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12

I'm sorry, do you find people knit-picking your post's annoying?